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greengeek


Joined: 20 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Wed 20 May 2020, 04:27    Post subject:  Problems posting on forum
Subject description: Just me???
 

Over the last few weeks I have been experiencing some problems posting on this forum and I am wondering if it is just me or are others experiencing it too?

The symptom is that after I make a post and click "preview" the forum logs me out or else returns me to a previous screen.

It appears to be a "timeout" issue - as if the time taken to refresh a preview exceeds the time allocated to "submit" a post.

I keep having to log in again (sometimes multiple times) in order to complete my post.

The only way I can get around it with any consistency is to "copy" my post content and have it in the clipboard ready to quickly paste and submit in one go - without doing a preview.

Anyone else seen something similar?

Is this just Google rolling out internet controls? (I generally only use Palemoon SSE and avoid the latest and greatest Google based browsers as much as I can)
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Semme


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PostPosted: Wed 20 May 2020, 06:36    Post subject:  

Ian, do you check the auto box and is your connection mobile tethered?

I had issues in the past until I concocted a custom connection script modeled around a script written by Bill or Tempestuous. Can't remember which.

It was almost as if the forum was choking on this type of connection.

Maybe not be your issue but I'd say your resolve could be addressed in the same manner.

Keep in mind udhcpd is built into BusyBox, dhcpcd typically requires installation.

I recall reading Wifi-TrayNet allows you to use one or the other.

Idea You may consider using the one you're not.

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greengeek


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PostPosted: Wed 20 May 2020, 14:07    Post subject:  

Semme wrote:
Ian, do you check the auto box
Hi Semme, thanks for the reply. Which auto box do you mean please?
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and is your connection mobile tethered?
ah yes I think you have put your finger on the pulse there. A lot of my work is done through a cell phone connection - either directly on the phone or through tether.
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I had issues in the past until I concocted a custom connection script modeled around a script written by Bill or Tempestuous. Can't remember which.
So that modification was made on the PC that was tethered?
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It was almost as if the forum was choking on this type of connection.
Yep that's definitely how it feels.
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Keep in mind udhcpd is built into BusyBox, dhcpcd typically requires installation.......You may consider using the one you're not.
Thanks for the tip! Much appreciated.
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Flash
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PostPosted: Wed 20 May 2020, 14:10    Post subject:  

This problem is news to me. I have no idea what could be causing it.

It sounds almost like, when you touch 'Preview' on your phone, the forum somehow gets a different command instead, possibly one it doesn't understand.

Does it always work right when you touch 'Submit'? As a workaround for the 'Preview' problem, you could 'Submit' instead, then edit your post if you find you need to. I do that a lot anyway. I'm always thinking of something I forgot to say, after I click 'Submit'. I did it several times in this post. Laughing
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rockedge


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PostPosted: Wed 20 May 2020, 14:30    Post subject:  

I also submit then edit and rarely ever use preview. My phone's browser(s) does also does strange things at times using the touch screen, the forum will not interpret the click command correctly.

I think some of the older website software frameworks like the one this forum is built on will at times exhibit this behavior. Occasionally switching the browser on the Android phone will help.

This may or may not be relative to the problem though if it's a connection issue involving timeouts
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Flash
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PostPosted: Wed 20 May 2020, 17:10    Post subject:  

The forum is set to log you out after two hours of inactivity. Surely that's not the cause of greengeek's problem here.
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Semme


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PostPosted: Wed 20 May 2020, 21:54    Post subject:  

Ah, it WAS Tempestuous!

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=695838#695838

Which @ the time I needed:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=944374#944374

Then modded to suit my Android tether:
Code:
#!/bin/sh
modprobe cdc_ether
modprobe rndis_host
modprobe usbnet
#exec /root/my-applications/bin/usbreset3
sleep 2
rm -f /var/lib/dhcpcd/*.info
rm -f /var/run/*.pid
dhcpcd -t 30 -h puppypc* -d usb0

PS - The "auto box" I was referring to is the one on the log in page.
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greengeek


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PostPosted: Thu 21 May 2020, 03:22    Post subject:  

Thanks Semme - i have reviewed those threads and believe that my problem is different.

I have run the same wifi connection code for 5 years (same distro all that time) and don't think it is an issue with configuring the wifi connection.

I have also been seeing strange problems with Trademe.co.nz - which is a local version of Ebay. It wont let me view auctions when I click on them in the auction list.

Clearly there is some issue with "authorisation" when I get switched from one webpage to another within a website.

It is too much of a co-incidence that these two sites that have been trouble free for years and years are now apparently unable to process my browsers request to move from page to page. It is as if the websites are dumping my session login data during a simple page swap.

Will post back after some further testing with other browsers. Currently using Palemoon SSE
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Semme


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PostPosted: Thu 21 May 2020, 06:46    Post subject:    

End of the line?
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Pale Moon SSE for Linux has been discontinued with the advent of Pale Moon 28.

You didn't mention which OS.

Maybe it's time YOU conform to current web standards and up your ride?

But then, maybe the web facing libs that handle authorization need updating? Hmm...

Still, my guess is the outdated browser bit.
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greengeek


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2020, 07:25    Post subject:  

Well, i am living out of town again (no job thanks to COVID) and connecting via cellphone and the problems are back. Mid way during posting the forum tells me to log in again. Happens multiple times over a few minutes, then disappears for a while.

Semme i think you were more right regarding it being to do with cellphone tethering rather than what you suspected about old browser.

Although I have a nasty feeling that modern browsers tag every transaction with something like a timestamp or IP address stamp that old browsers did not - and maybe that makes old browsers unable to keep pace with what modern websites require.

Maybe modern websites (and modern browsers) track IP changes and decide i am a bot or something. Maybe that is a "security" feature?

But why would that affect Murga forum?? This runs on pretty basic software.

Maybe the issue is not webSITE related so much as ISP related.

Who knows.

Anyway - now I know I have to ctrl+C to copy all of my post before I click "submit" - that way my text is on my clipboard in case I get logged out during posting.

(DAMMIT!!! - just did it again!!)
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Semme


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2020, 08:05    Post subject:  

Ian, check your inbox.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun 2020, 02:55    Post subject: Re: Problems posting on forum
Subject description: Just me???
 

greengeek wrote:
Anyone else seen something similar?

a. A few weeks back I composed a substantial post, then when I clicked "preview" the text was gone!
I gave up! Didn't re-compose.

b. more recently:
I no longer receive notifications of new posts to threads I'm registered to follow. Sad
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Makoto


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Location: Out wandering... maybe.

PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun 2020, 12:33    Post subject: Re: Problems posting on forum
Subject description: Just me???
 

Sylvander wrote:
a. A few weeks back I composed a substantial post, then when I clicked "preview" the text was gone!
I gave up! Didn't re-compose.


Is the post still up? Do you have a link to it?
The forum has a 'bug' where issues with the [url][/url] tags may cause the entire post to appear blank when previewed or submitted - say, for example, if you leave a trailing space within the [url][/url] tags with the URL. You can still edit or quote the post and see that all the text is there, but the forum will display a blank post.

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Flash
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun 2020, 12:48    Post subject:  

He probably never hit the "Submit" button.

Sylvander, do you connect via wifi, or via direct-to-Ethernet cable? (No reason to ask, just making conversation.)
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rockedge


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun 2020, 13:07    Post subject:  

IF THERE IS ANY EXTRA white space in a line with a "[url] [/url]" the ENTIRE post will not appear. It's there but will not display because of that extra space causing an error.

So to FIX it, review the post's BB code tags that are in the post which does not display, and check that NO EXTRA WHITE SPACE is included in the URL BB code tags.

Example: Will not display ->
Code:
[url] http://the_server/something[/url]


and this will ->
Code:
[url]http://the_server/something[/url]


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